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"You Lie!" The Merits of Uncivil Discourse

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Wednesday’s outburst from a South Carolina politician brings to mind a question. Is America suffering from a lack of civility when it comes to political discourse these days? Or is it just the opposite?

Before delving into today’s topic, a quick reader inquiry:

I just finished reading Web of Debt. Are there any good arguments as to why the money power should be of the bankers, by the bankers and for the bankers? Does not the Constitution imply that this power resides with Congress?
TD Reader Barbara J.

The trouble is that Congress doesn’t actually want “the money power,” as you put it, because holding such power would imply direct responsibility.

If Congress had the means to raise or lower interest rates (or otherwise directly impact the money supply), then politicians would have to take blame for the state of the economy. They would not be able to point fingers, play dumb, or otherwise shift blame to a third party (the Federal Reserve) when so desired.

As it stands now, the Federal Reserve Chairman’s role as “Daddy” lets Congress play the role of spoiled teenager. This useful bit of kabuki theatre lets the pols spend money with wild abandon, figuring “Daddy” is the one equipped to handle the consequences.


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Another problem with enabling Congress is that “too many cooks spoil the broth.” It is hard to imagine Republicans and Democrats steering an ice cream truck, let alone a coherent monetary policy. (Some want to give the gold standard another try, but that’s a different topic.)

Sadly, Washington is not a sober and serious place. It is a veritable beer-soaked frat house of back-scratching, populism-swilling, pork-grabbing bacchanalia... and that’s on a good day.

Which brings us back around to today’s missive. Is America suffering from a lack of civility when it comes to political discourse? Or is it just the opposite?

“You Lie!!!”

The question comes to mind in light of the latest outrage – outrage! – regarding the conduct of South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson.

As you have probably heard, during President Obama’s healthcare speech Wednesday night, Representative Wilson felt moved to let loose a vocal outburst. Specifically, Wilson shouted “You Lie!” when the POTUS said his healthcare plan would not mean insuring illegal immigrants.

The backlash was immediate and sharp. Republicans “froze,” the AP reports. House Speaker Pelosi shot off a “fierce frown.” The first lady shook her head, the Veep looked down, and President Obama said “That’s not true” before stoically soldiering on.

The controversy soon boiled over. Senator John McCain (he who challenged Mr. Obama in the last election) called the outburst “totally disrespectful,” adding that "there is no place for it in that setting, or any other, and he should apologize for it immediately."

Meanwhile, Representative Wilson’s Web site crashed... his Twitter account was deluged... and the beleaguered pol's 2010 opponent, Democrat Rob Miller, reportedly raised $100,000 within hours of the event.

Not Like England

Given the circumstances and the standard etiquette, Mr. Wilson was clearly out of line. If the shout was a political ploy – didn’t everyone get a copy of the speech beforehand? – then it appears to have backfired big time.

But still, Taipan Daily can’t help but wonder... should such outbursts be automatically considered “out of line?” Should the commander in chief be accorded such automatic deference, civility and decorum?

America has imported a number of old traditions from merry old England. But this demand for civility certainly isn’t one of them...

In British Parliament, the general mood is “anything goes.” If the Prime Minister says something especially foolish, he is not spared from the jeers... and might even be lucky not to have a tomato thrown at him. Were Joe Wilson to have shouted his words across the pond, one wonders if they would have made the six o'clock news.

If you don’t believe me, check out this reel of British Parliament footage from December 10, 2008. (Keep in mind that this session took place in the heat of the global financial crisis as world markets melted down.)

Here is a rough transcript of the opening exchange:

Opposition Leader David Cameron: ...To ensure the flow of lending to the real economy can continue at normal rates. Does the Prime Minister accept that on those terms his recapitalization has failed, and when is he going to change it?

Prime Minister Gordon Brown (against growing background noise): Mr. Speaker, the first point of recapitalization was to save banks that would otherwise have collapsed. And we not only saved the world – eh, saved the banks –

Opposition Members of Parliament: HA HA HA HA HA....

Prime Minister Gordon Brown (raising his voice to be heard): Saved – saved the banks and led the way –

Opposition Members of Parliament: BOOOOOOOO...

Not much for decorum, eh? It really is a remarkable sight... that’s just the way they do things over there.

Your humble editor was exposed to the “British” debating style during his time at Oxford. One might imagine the Oxford Student Union to be a staid, stuffy place. But no – the student debate forums, held in the presence of distinguished guest speakers, are as full of rhetoric and jeer and insult as anything one might find in a rowdy pub.

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This suggestion – that maybe Britain has the better idea – has nothing to do with the fact that a Democrat is president.

After all, can you imagine how differently things might have gone... and how much better they might have gone... if President George W. Bush had been forced to defend himself on his feet?

“You’re working hard to put food on your family” – how might an unleashed Congress have responded to that?

Better still, the entertainment-starved American public might well have been inspired to actually pay attention had Washington embraced the Brit equivalent of political food fight. “W” could have been the new entertainment, right up there with American Idol... and Americans might have noticed what was happening to the country in result.

Sad to say, it’s not as if we can just do a culture transplant on Capitol Hill. Unlike the U.K., Washington has long embraced a respectful tone when it comes to engaging our leaders.

But one has to ask... do they really deserve it? Look at the fraud and chicanery and outright buffoonery Congress has perpetrated on America. Look at what the executive branch has done, under leadership both Democrat AND Republican.

When it comes to politics overall, just look where civility has gotten us.


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The Virtues of Bluntness

It is no coincidence that dictators tend to have zero sense of humor. Satire plays an important (if not vital) role in healthy political life. To laugh at a bad idea – to gleefully point out its flaws – is to take a step towards setting things right, or at least making the citizenry more aware.

And if our politicians are going to act like clowns, your humble editor submits, then why shouldn’t we treat them as such. Or at least expose them to a little bit more raw inquiry than they are used to.

Why shouldn’t the leader of the free world be prepared to answer aggressive on-the-spot questions, for example, without use of a teleprompter? And what’s more, why shouldn’t that leader be given the chance to answer back just as aggressively?

After all, two can play the verbal jousting game. If a policy is sound... if an idea is logical and possessed of merit... then why can’t it be – why shouldn’t it be – defended against vigorous challenge in an open forum?

That’s another problem with the cloak of civility and decorum. It is often used to disguise a lack of true preparedness, a lack of real thought. Think how wary politicians are of facing each other in unscripted debate forums during election season – then overlay that basic caution with a heaping helping of laziness and corruption in day-to-day political life.

America would certainly give something up if we chose to kick it England-style. The patina of pomp and circumstance surrounding the commander in chief might never recover – and this, in turn, might make it a little harder for America to tend the far-flung corners of empire.

But would it really be so much of a loss, if the gain were forcing the clowns in Congress to reveal their true mettle (and true worth) on a regular basis?

In other words: Should civility reign for the sake of morality and tradition, or is it high time we put aside false decorum and started demanding that our representatives “tell it like it is?” Feel free to express your uncivil opinion here: justice@taipandaily.com

Other Related Topics: Barack Obama , Democratic Party , Joe Wilson , Justice Litle , Macro Trader , Republican Party , United Kingdom Investments

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All quiet in Congress
written by Wolfgang Wiebach, September 15, 2009
The American Joint Session of Congress, addressed by the President, reminds me of nothing as much as those sessions of the Supreme Soviet of the Soviet Union addressed by Brezhnew, among others. Everyone sits attentively and quietly and just claps their hands at the appropriate points of the speech. This never struck me as a democratic - or fruitful - way to conduct politics.
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written by Charles D Burton, September 12, 2009
Illegal imigrants most likely brought the H1N1 virus into the US from Mexico. Failing to include them in the health care proposal means leaving them to spread diseases to to the general population without treatment. So they should be included, shouldn't they? That's if you think health care should be handled by the government at all.
the truth
written by Keith Carr, September 12, 2009
The United States as a country is screwed. On an irreversible down-hill slide. The congressman was absolutely right to say the so-called president is a liar. He is. He (like all other presidents since Kennedy) has been installed as a puppet of the international banking cartel. They are the real power and have a sorry record of events to their credit none of which were or ever will be in the best interests of this country.

Everything nobama is doing and wants to do is oriented around one thing: to destroy this country in general and to destroy the American middle class in particular. That is the only way that the United States can be assimilated into one world government.

Look at what they do. Pay no attention to what they say. All politicians are liars and are devoted to the destruction of the once proud nation that used to be. They are going for broke right now with so-called health care, cap-and-trade, refusal to develop domestic energy infrastructure, running the national deficit to unsustainable levels, new calls for a one-world currency, etc. ad nauseum.

The truth is there for anyone with an eye to see the truth.
"You Lied" is never acceptable Language in the UK Parliament
written by C Wilson, September 12, 2009
The view in your article of the value of a more open and blunt debate on all issues, including health care, along the lines of the British Parliament, is one I support. The calibre of the debate in the British Parliament arguably made a significant contribution to Britain's ability over three centuries to adjust policies and have influence far beyond what its population size would suggest. However, you are incorrect in writing that use of the phrase "you lie" is acceptable Parliamentary language. Use of those words in the UK House fo Commons or Lords will result in immediate intervention by the Speaker to direct the 'Honourable member' to withdraw immediately the accusation as improper language for the House. Failure to apologize and immediately withdraw that language will result in expulsion from the House until the improper language is withdrawn in writing and an apology tendered to the House.

Mr. Wilson's mealy-mouthed apology does him no credit, and would not have been sufficient to gain his re-entry to Parliament, if he had uttered his phrase there. There must be bounds to civilized debate, and the responsibility is placed upon the critics to provide the effective and stirring arguments which can effect a desired change in policy. Confrontational and adversarial politics does not achieve this, hence your comment about the clowns in Congress resonates. Your provision of the Hansard report of a debate with PM Brown did not have the specific language, 'You lied' because that is not used in the UK. Intelligent debate is likely never advanced by use of the invective of false accusations....

Cheers,
C Wilson
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